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PHOENIX -- Paul Goldschmidt seems to hit whatever Tim Lincecum throws at him. So does Aaron Hill. Neither one is about to question why. Theyre just going to enjoy the success while it lasts. Hill drove in two runs, and Goldschmidt had two hits off Lincecum, helping the Arizona Diamondbacks send the San Francisco Giants to their sixth straight loss, 4-1 on Friday night. "You dont want to take it lightly because baseball can turn at any moment," said Hill, who is 11 for 19 against Lincecum. "He is a great pitcher and had a great career, and you dont want to make it sound like its easy. Hes a great pitcher and its not easy." The Giants still lead the NL West, but have lost nine of 10 to see a lead that was once 9 1-2 games dwindle to less than four. The last-place Diamondbacks extended San Franciscos misery behind a gritty effort by Josh Collmenter (5-4) and by knocking around Lincecum (5-5). Hill had run-scoring hits in the fourth and fifth innings, and Goldschmidt had a single and double to raise his average to .577 against the two-time Cy Young Award winner. Collmenter fought through five innings to win for the first time in four starts. Arizonas bullpen picked it up from there. Three pitchers worked scoreless innings, and Addison Reed had a perfect ninth to close out his 17th save. It was Arizonas third win in 10 games and another frustrating loss in what is becoming a long stream of them for the Giants. "Its been that way here through this tough streak," Giants manager Bruce Bochy said. "We are missing the big hit, kind of keep the line moving. We had some great at-bats, stretched him (Collmenter) out, but he dodged some bullets there." Collmenter had lost two straight starts, allowing six runs in six innings against the Los Angeles Dodgers his last time out. The right-hander laboured through his night, needing 31 pitches to get through the first. Pablo Sandoval had a run-scoring triple in the inning, chugging his way around the bases after centre fielder Ender Inciarte just missed a diving catch in the gap. Collmenter continued to run up his pitch count, yet found ways to wriggle out of jams. He walked two in the fifth inning and got out of that by striking out Sandoval and getting Michael Morse to fly out to deep centre. Collmenter allowed a run and four hits, struck out four and walked four while throwing a season-high 109 pitches. "I just continued to battle," Collmenter said. "I dont think Ive ever had a clean, crisp outing against these guys for whatever reason. But I felt as good as I have in the last few starts and was able to make some good pitches." Lincecum was solid in his previous two starts, allowing five combined runs after giving up eight against Cincinnati on June 3. Like Collmenter, he struggled. Unlike Collmenter, he didnt always get out of it. Arizona scored two runs off the right-hander in the fourth inning, on Hills single and a double by Martin Prado. Arizona added a run in the fifth on a run-scoring triple by Chris Owings, who was thrown out at the plate while trying for an inside-the-park homer. Hill made it 4-1 with a sacrifice fly that scored Goldschmidt, who improved to 15 for 26 against Lincecum with his second hit of the night, a double off the wall in left-centre. Lincecum allowed four runs and seven hits in six innings. "I left too many pitches over the plate, and you saw what they did with them," Lincecum said. NOTES: The Diamondbacks signed first-round draft pick Touki Toussaint. Arizona took the right-hander from Coral Springs (Fla.) Christian Academy with the 16th pick in this years draft. ... Giants OF Angel Pagan missed his fourth straight game with lower back pain, but Bochy said he could be back in the lineup Saturday night. ... 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Martin Prado Jersey .Cameron sustained his third concussion in three seasons last week on a hit by Oakland safety Brandion Ross, who was fined $22,050 by the NFL for the helmet-to-helmet blow.Got a question on rule clarification, comments on rule enforcements or some memorable NHL stories? Kerry wants to answer your emails at cmonref@tsn.ca! Dear Kerry, In Friday nights game between the Toronto Maple Leafs and New Jersey Devils, a hooking penalty was called on Marek Zidlicky at 8:12 of the second period as Phil Kessel scored. The penalty was still assessed! I thought when you scored, it negated the penalty? What did I miss? Thanks,Gloria Powell-Smith Gloria, What you missed was 1:05 on the penalty clock that was being served by Andy Greene of the Devils for hooking Mason Raymond. Greenes remaining penalty time terminated by virtue of Phil Kessels power-play goal scored on a nifty coast-to-coast rush at 8:12 of the third period. A team that has been scored upon is entitled to relief of one minor penalty only so the delayed hooking penalty being signaled against Zidlicky was assessed and served with the termination of Greenes penalty. Rule 16.2 tells us that when a team is playing short-handed (below the numerical strength of its opponent) at the time a goal is scored, the minor or bench minor penalty which terminates automatically is the one with the least amount of time on the clock. (Coincidental minor penalties to both teams do not cause a team to be shorthanded.) The minor penalty expiration criteria are as follows: (Questions for the ref to consider)) Is the team scored against shorthanded? Is the team scored against serving a minor on the clock? If both criteria are satisfied, the minor penalty with the least amount of time on the clock shall terminate, except when coincidental minor penalties are being served.dddddddddddd No penalty shall expire when a goal is scored against a team on a penalty shot. If the teams had been playing at even strength (or even if the Leafs were shorthanded) at the time of Kessels goal, the delayed penalty being signaled to Zidlicky would have been negated under Rule 15.2: If the penalty to be imposed is a minor penalty and a goal is scored on the play by the non-offending side, the minor penalty shall not be imposed. If two or more minor penalties were to be imposed, the captain would designate to the referee which minor penalty will be washed out as a result of the goal. In the case of a double minor penalty being imposed, one of the minor penalties would automatically terminate. Gloria, when I first joined the NHL in the mid 1970s, the situation you presented would have been treated differently under the rules. Back then, the team scored upon was not only entitled to relief of the minor penalty being served (by Andy Greene) but additionally any delayed penalty that was being signaled (to Marek Zidlicky) was also negated through the scoring of a power play goal (by Phil Kessel). ' ' '